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Religious Bullshit
Posted by: stile Topic: Religion
Thursday, January 31 @ 03:28PM EST [9092 reads]
ice writes: The old philosopher Freud, who is said to be one of the most important thinkers of the twentieth century, came up with this theory on the belief in religion...

"Religion is a process of unconscious wish fulfillment, where, for certain people, if the process did not take place would place them in danger of coming to mental harm, being unable to cope with the idea of a godless purposeless world."

So what do you guys think?



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Re: Religious Bullshit
by tokencracker on Thursday, January 31 @ 04:33PM EST
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children shouldnt be tought religion

let them learn it theirselves when theyre old enough to not need any help

but by then they would understand life in a much better way than religion teaches you

and you'd have an interesting person who would either be truly a mean to do well person or a rotten bastard that lives to kill cops :shrug:

Re: Religious Bullshit
by reptillikus on Thursday, January 31 @ 04:38PM EST
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Religion only works to fill in the gaps of the ignorant, so yeah, it works fine for little kids, but once you hit that magical age, you realize that theres a scientific reason behind the sky being blue, and lets not get into the whole evolution thing, cause then we'd start a huge argument...

Re: Religious Bullshit
by zonkers on Thursday, January 31 @ 04:39PM EST
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Dead on Freud, my man, you pounded that nail.

Religion is a self medication.

Gotta go get it on with my mother ;-]

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Chomsky on Thursday, January 31 @ 04:51PM EST
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Godless world? Nobody knows what god is, so how could there be a godless world?

Purposeless world? If you take the time away from useless people that waste your time, television, newspapers and magazines which also waste your time, then maybe with a few good friends or even a mentor, you can figure out who and what the fuck YOU are; then religion no longer holds any importance at all!

Re: Religious Bullshit
by SultryBrunette on Friday, February 01 @ 06:07AM EST
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children should be taught religion (ALL RELIGIONS) to establish a strong moral center. once they are old enough, they usually find their way and move on to utilize more evoloved moral checks such as fear of prosecutiona nd ostracization....all of which the learned in church as a child.

see?

Re: Religious Bullshit
by nibiru on Friday, February 01 @ 07:14AM EST
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I've got enough comments on religion that I could fill a website - but for now just a couple of comments.
Robert Heinlein wrote in The Notebooks of Lazarus Long:
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
I agree, and while I consider myself somewhat spiritual (and constantly in search of meaning and purpose) I do not like or agree with the idea of, or ideas proffered by, organized religions of any kind. In my opinion, they are devices used to control and subjugate the masses, and organized religions and churches have been responsible for the most horrible and cruel atrocities perpetrated by men upon their fellow men. But if you need the crutch, who am I to tell you that you can't have it? Whatever works for you, pal, whatever works for you.
People's interpretation of the bible is based on 20th and 21st century ideas, attitutes, and understandings of the world, and fail to account for the vastly different times and places when the individual books of the Bible were composed, and the entire Bible was codified. If you would like to believe what is literally said, fine, but know that things were different then, words had different meanings, and much of what was written was done so after the fact, sometimes by a few decades, sometimes many generations, and therefore it's accuracy as a historical document must be suspect. There was also significant editing and debate as to which books would be included and which would be excluded, thus it's role as a "guide for life" must also be recognized as the specific agenda of the early leaders of the church seeking to win the "hearts and minds" of the population and thus expand their power base.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Bazookanose on Friday, February 01 @ 09:13AM EST
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Foolish rules of ancient date
Designed to make you all feel great
While you fold, spindle and mutilate
Those unbelievers from a neighboring state

Frank Zappa (The Immortal)

from The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing on the album You Are What You Is

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Corval on Friday, February 01 @ 10:52AM EST
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Await the Uprising, for its time will come.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by apocalypse_dude on Friday, February 01 @ 12:54PM EST
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I know Jesus is real , i saw him selling oranges on the corner the other day.


Re: Religious Bullshit
by psychoholic on Friday, February 01 @ 01:29PM EST
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Religion... don't fuckin' get me started.

It seems to me, after ages and ages of human progress and development... That we should as a species, be able to move beyond the need to explain a reason or purpose of our little lives on this ball of dirt we call earth with wishful thinking and speculation... and then bending our own lives to fit a bunch of hogwash written by people who lived ages ago just because some pulpit pounding moron tells you it's right. Maybe It's just me, but it just seems counterproductive to humanity as a whole. We should move on, evolve, and just fucking grow up... unfortunately, stupidity seems to run rampant in much of the genepool... So, enough venting... what do you guys/gals out there think ?

Re: Religious Bullshit
by gunthorn on Friday, February 01 @ 02:31PM EST
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It's funny how religion NOW believes earth isn't the center of the universe. They change their teaches so they don't look like fucking morons. Even if there is a god what if he doesn't care about humans/earth. If one person could create the universe then he should be able to easily kill Satan who was an angel. Yes, he! 99% of original religions don't think women are equal to men, BUT were rewritten (reformed) to make women equal. Don't you think its fuked up that King Henry the 8th would create a religion just so he could get divorced!? Children are brainwashed by religion they should not be TAUGHT religion untill college. You don't need to teach a kid religion to teach them the difference of right and wrong. If I was a 5 year old and my mother told me that I would get my ass kicked and gang raped in prison I would be more frightened then some place called hell. I think its screwed up how everyone thinks pagan wiccan etc. etc. are fake, but jesus is real. If I said THANK YOU JESUS I would seem normal, but if I were to say THANK YOU ZEUS! I would seem like a fucking nut. If religion makes you feel better about yourself thats great, but don't try to change everyone. If I want to play violent video games then I will! Don't tell me what I can and can't do. The problem is NO ONE WANTS to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING. It's my opinion that god does not care about you, if I take a shotgun point it at your head and pull the trigger, even if your the pope I bet your going to die. If you study jesus you will find out that during that time period there were many other "messiahs" just like him. Think for yourself organized religion is just plain BS. Form your OWN ideas, ethics, religion. In my own experience I have found people who are religious to be close minded and hypocrites.

2,000 years ago if you said you spoke to god they'd call you a prohet, now they call you crazy.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Delamorte on Friday, February 01 @ 04:11PM EST
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When someone claims god will stop the sinners of the world, tell them for me.
" Until this god of yours shows up at my doorstep, don't proceed to tell me right from wrong. "

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Roman on Friday, February 01 @ 04:43PM EST
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Those are my thoughts exactly, if God did not exist (in our minds) we would believe that we are the only ones responsible for our actions, which may lead to potencial madness.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by somabrandmayonaise on Friday, February 01 @ 04:48PM EST
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"faith is only betting on the right horse." what's to say that yeah, your christian god (or any god, for that matter) is right and everyone else is wrong and whoever does not believe shall burn in hell or wherever. if that's the case, aren't we all going to hell (or whatever you may believe in)? come on, people. pick on religion and stick with it... though, the minute you show up at my door at seven in the morning preaching to me about how i'm going to burn for eternity, you better watch out. that bible is going to be up your ass. watch out for me, baby! i'm your anti-christ!

Re: Religious Bullshit
by beartear on Friday, February 01 @ 04:53PM EST
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I'm an Atheist, so I'm gonna sound like a hypocrite of sorts.... Religion, in my opinion, is fine. A belief structure based on a fictitious or abstract entity CAN be a source of strength for the weak of spirit/mind/body. Religion , in a way , gave society its first set of laws which in one form or another are still on the books today: Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Those shoes don't go with those pants....
I don't have a problem with people practicing a faith. What I have a problem with is The Institution of Organized Religion. Faiths that are already made and a hierarchy that demands complience, and to an extent subservitude. The Salvation Army does a great deal of good for communities and those in need but asks for 10% of their parishioner's net income. Giving the masses something to believe in ain't a bad thing. Wanting ten per cent? Blowme. The Catholic Church is the richest institution in the world, yet every day they pass that fucking plate around. If I were to drop a buck or two in there , would they tell me something new?
If little Johnny doesn't blow his classmates away today because he believes his God is gonna be pissed, great. Belief in God is ok.
On the flip side , The Taliban tells the followers of the Q'ran that they are at war with the U.S. ... stupid shit happens because of the demands of an institution.
Let little Johnny believe in God or Dog or whatever. Let the lady on the street say a Novena for you when you let rip with that morning-after Tequila fart. Let the individual be the individual and worship whatever God they want, even if it isn't Me.
Don't , however, let the Church of whatever create a society of individuals who have lost all of their ability to think for themselves and follow blindly one interpretation of some ancient work of fiction.

or something like that....

Re: Religious Bullshit
by nippa on Friday, February 01 @ 05:44PM EST
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I think he is right. But as the mind and body are the tools of the soul and if one is not in tune with there inner self of course they are going to roam around as a fucked up self fulfilling human being. I don't think you have to be a genius to admit the force of life is in and around us everywhere. I think that the path to enlightenment is a journey and not a birth rite as the churches would have people believe.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by itsametaphor on Friday, February 01 @ 05:54PM EST
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I'd just like to say.... I have no clue about anything, I've been unemployed for quite some time now and have had that time to think. God came up many times in my thoughts, and i have come to a paradox... if there is no such thing as god where did everything come from... how did the big bang or however the world started start? Where did everything come from? But......... If there is a god and he/she/it created everything in what ever way........ where did he/she/it come from? I don't believe in any God from a specific religion.... but i do think there is one or more. All i know is death scares the shit out of me. I'm going to live my life to the fullest and hopefully find out everything after i die.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by prelude on Friday, February 01 @ 06:46PM EST
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ah, if i've seen this argument once, i've seen it a thousand times. well, i'm gonna have to take the "religion isn't really bad" side, because if no one did, then it would just be a religion bashing page, and not a discussion, or even an argument. rats. got off topic.

anyway. first i've noticed there's a belief that religions just tell you what to do, and if you don't do that, then you can go to hell. yes, there are people like that. fundamentalist can be very much like that. but they're really a small but vocal portion of the larger part of "religion". are all lesbians feminazis? of course not. but that's the stereotype. by buying into this "all religions are archaic mind controlling political machines" you espouse the very thing you claim to be above (using stereotypes). that vast majority of religious people are tolerant and all that jazz. but you don't hear from them, because their belief is similar to yours, people must find their own way. so to sum up, you don't see the moderate religious people because they allow you to live your life just like moderate atheists do.

as for it being rediculous to believe in god: there is very little scientific research that mainstream religion does not make room for. the catholic church does not deny the existence of atoms. truly the church even believes that there is a case for evolution, still being entirely within it's belief structure. but you don't hear about that, because those aren't the people that are complaining.
have you ever seen god? no
have you ever seen an atom? no
you accept the atom because you see scientific explanations for it. but i garuntee you that probably none of you understand the explanation that's there for the atom. but you still accept it. so why don't you accept the explanation for god?

Re: Religious Bullshit
by onobono on Friday, February 01 @ 07:18PM EST
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Hands down the stupidest post by stile, EVER.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by fishstyx on Friday, February 01 @ 08:04PM EST
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I'm of the belief that religion is the worst thing man has done to himself. One of the most fevered sources of discrimination is religion. More and bloodier wars have been caused in God's name than by anything else.

This is not to say, mind you, that it's God's fault. He knows we learn by fucking up.

truth?
by Phoenix on Friday, February 01 @ 08:45PM EST
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Whether you think that god does or doesnt exist makes no difference, because niether of the two sides can prove their point. Personally i think the idea of the christian god is very self centered and immature, the bible was written around the time where the earth was thought to be the center of the universe, and it reflects that in its teachings, but that does not mean that god doesn't exist. The human idea of god is our attempt at trying to understand something that we cant possibly understand. Our brains do not have the mental capacity to fully grasp what a "creator" or god would be, so we give it this human like form and give it human like qualitys and think that it loves only us. In the bible, Jesus said that we are more valuable to god than an entire flock of birds, this is far to concieted for me to believe. Whats the best way to think of this? Well there is no best way, but a belief causes the mind to stop functioning, instead of questioning something like death, we can awnser the question by saying that god exists and heaven is where we will reside after death. Only when we have no beliefs can we truly understand our purpose here on earth, to die. What happens after that, whether it be heaven or what ever else, really doesnt matter untill we die. Live the way you want untill then, and when death comes, thats the time to start thinking about what to do.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Daniel on Friday, February 01 @ 08:59PM EST
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Every one that has commented has just stated their opinion, or belief..which I see as just another religion in itself. Wanna' try to make your brain swell up?.(good party trick)..then cogitate this query,.....If my/your god created all life and the universe, Who created him/her? better still who created the being that created the being who created the universe....and who created Bill Gates?(see,hurts to think about it,huh?).......OUCH! head is hurting..OW!...OW!

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Yorkshirepud on Friday, February 01 @ 09:10PM EST
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Religious people will say, 'God was always there'. But when scientists say about the big bang, religious people say 'Ok, if that's true how did the stuff get there in the first place'. Double standards, I hate 'em.
Freud, now if my memory serves my correctly, he said near the end of his life, 'I made the things I said up, it's all crap'.
I think religion is just a way for people not to have to take responsibility for their own life and actions. So, they can just say 'Well. if God wanted me to be successful, he would make it so.' Bollocks. You just can't be bothered or are just too shit to be successful.
Well, that's my two cents.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Daniel on Friday, February 01 @ 09:28PM EST
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Look at the replies to the story Vs. the actual story reads.......Obviously religion Is the opiate of the masses....

Re: Religious Bullshit
by sebox on Saturday, February 02 @ 12:15AM EST
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Well, after reading all those comments I?m just wondering why 98% of the Americans still believe in God... anyway, maybe those don?t visit SP or just don?t have the nuts to comment on that post...


Re: Religious Bullshit
by ShVen on Saturday, February 02 @ 12:17AM EST
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no fucking god, no soul.... no life after death.... youl live, shit, die.... thats it, you go through you're life fucking, eating, and shitting and sleeping.... tell me where there a MEANING in that....???

im atheist, and had to find out myself that there is no god, i dont hate people who are religious but i think THEY'RE FUCKIN STUPID!!!!!

all i have to say :D

Re: Religious Bullshit
by johnnyfiasko on Saturday, February 02 @ 01:50AM EST
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Religion. Bad. Good. Galileo said, "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." My mind is my church. I don't see the point in following rules that have roots dating back thousands of years, made up by people that didn't even have color TV. I live by my own set of rules, morals and ethics, because this is my life. Nietzsche put out a lot of interesting writings on religion. Grab some books and start reading. And remember, "In heaven all the interesting people are missing".

Re: Religious Bullshit
by schroedinbug on Saturday, February 02 @ 03:32AM EST
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We just got through discussing this in my english class oddly enough.

If basically came down to everyone in the class felt that (like said above) religion is for the people that have something missing in their life.

But also, we looked at the negative side of it and found that even though religion has brought good into the world... it has cased more evil than good in the form of wars/religious wars.
More of the documented wars in Earth's history have been because of a religion getting pissed off about another religion.
I've always felt that children should be exposed to religion and allowed to make their mind up when they are ready, opposed to shoving them into a sunday school room with a bunch of jesus stuck up their ass christians shoving a bible down your throat...

This is what caused me to become atheist, the asshole I had for the middle school class asked me to look up a passage in the bible. So I took his(not having one) and started looking. It took me 5 minutes just to find the right book it was in... and he always made me the example for people without god in their life, and you wonder why he has a scar above his eye now.

I'm glad I don't have a god ruling my life, I like it this way. I may have lost my gf because of it... but hey... if God loves her that much... he would have gave her two full legs... Bitch

Re: Religious Bullshit
by marcmoore1 on Saturday, February 02 @ 03:16PM EST
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People wouldn't be people without god. I mean, people believe (including myself), that there is something after death (heaven). If there was no beliefe in a god, then people would believe that there is no purpose to this life, because once you die, it's over, there nothing after death. But religion, and belief in god fills in the gaps, and make people believe that there is a purpose to this life, and that is to win the honor of going into heaven, or if you don't hell.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by balefire on Saturday, February 02 @ 07:00PM EST
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The first thing I would like to comment upon is the idea that one must make sure that one recognizes te differance between a belief in God and the structure of organized religion. WHen someone uses the word "religion" it can have to meanings....either belief in God, or the institutions that are in existance that believe in a higher power. I might also note that when "religion" is used (see original post by stile) that also applies to people who have a spiritual belief that DO NOT believe in God. That being the case, I will stick to the God idea, since that is where this whole discussion seems to focus...although I doubt that if we were in India it would be so...keep that in mind.

Let me say that this really is a topic that no one ever changes their mind abot once they have formed an opinion. You are either convinced there is a God, certain there is no God, or unsure (which means 99% of the time that that is the way you will stay at least until you know you are going to die, then you MIGHT change your tune).

Now, the first thing I would like to address is the idea that I have seen on here that people who believe in God are either: 1)stupid 2)weak willed 3)not wanting to accept responsibility for their actions 4)using God to give their lives meaning. OK, honestly all of those are just ridiculous. I think that there is no need to go into all of the historical examples of people that professed a belief in God that NO ONE could really apply any of the four above-mentioned ideas towards...well, unless you are a total anarchist, in which case you have more important things to worry about than this dicsussion...remember that home-made dynamite sweats nitro and that will kill you, ok?

To continue on a personal note, I DO believe in God and I think tat I can say that I do not fit into any of those categories. I will not parade out a list of reasons why that is because, frankly, I know that you don't care. Anyway, I think that if you study ANY religion, you will see that the whole idea behind it is that you should NOT to be stupid, weak willed, or irresponsible.

As for the fourth, I think that you are missing the point. Religion is a precess of self-discovery, as is everything else in life. God is not just something you think, He (ok, don't even start with the whole pronoun game, I am sick of it) is something you FEEL as well. In my experiance, the only other thing that we come across in life that causes such an equal reaction in your being is love. Perhaps that is why you hear God being associated with love all the time. Now, think about that one for a moment...isn't love one of the things that we spend our entire lives seeking? Now, many of us have given up on love because of betryal, deception, abuse, violence, whatever....and that is because we must associate that idea (? i dont know whatelse to call it) of love with another person. However, the search for God and the understanding of your own spiritual connection with him is different because it is focused internally..it involves you, and only you...and the only way that you can be betrayed is if you betray yourself. If this happens, then you are not going to concern yourself with religion anyway....you have other things to worry about...remember not to put the gun to your temple, put it in your mouth (for help see stileproject january vid-clip on Bill Dwyer). God is not something that gives your life meaning, He is something that hopefully you will find along the way.

Now, to go on the offensive for a bit. 1) to classify any group of people with a generalization because of one common denominator is, in itself, stupid. 2) all of the quotes that have been used to criticize religion are also products of their time and are as subject to as much scrutiny and fallability as anything written 2,000 years ago 3)religion, in and of itself, is not corrupt...don't blame God or anything else for how human beings twist and manipulate it to serve their own designs 4) dont attack what you do not know...if you dont bel

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Re: Religious Bullshit
by robertjontiveros on Sunday, February 03 @ 08:01AM EST
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I can't help but iterate Puck when I say "what fools these mortals be."

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Antrax on Sunday, February 03 @ 08:05AM EST
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All I can say about religion is that it offers security to the insecure and hope to the hopeless. I have nothing against god, but each and every one of his religions are what's wrong with this world. Just another reason for discrimination, another motivation for hatred.

Due to a recent incident where I was spouting random extremist comments to my friends, about evolution and survival of the fittest. In which god proved to me his existence by getting pissed off with me and striking me down with a Vulcan Death grip. I now believe in god but don't like him much.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by ThugNetwork on Sunday, February 03 @ 09:33AM EST
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I only read the first comment, but I agree... Somewhat...

I don't really believe in God, or any type of religion for that matter. I believe it's the same use as drugs/alcohol/anything like that...

Only weak people need it, because they can't handle their own problems by themselves, so they have to rely on something/or "someone" else to help them through it...

Re: Religious Bullshit
by EATME on Tuesday, February 05 @ 11:15AM EST
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Well, I'll tell ya' if life does have a purpose (which it doesn't), I'd love to hear what it is. From the mindless, religious fools that I know, the only response I can get is, "to worship god." Well, if that's why "god" put me on earth, then he can eat me. I refuse to worship anything or anyone.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Teft on Thursday, February 07 @ 12:08PM EST
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If there is a God, I guarantee you he's reading these posts and pissing his pants laughing.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by eAlex on Saturday, March 02 @ 01:16PM EST
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I agree. The last time I went to church was more years than my fingers ago. The only reason I like Christmas and shit is because I like getting gifts and spending the time with people. So in a way it is something that unites and socializes people. Enough said, Stile's momma is a horny bitch again

Re: Religious Bullshit
by darkcrad on Saturday, March 16 @ 09:27AM EST
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religion is sometimes a way of life.

sometimes an improvement.

i just think all religion believing there is a high power called "god" is bullshit and a pull back to the human society.

we need to unite to improve, not spread out.

Re: Religious Bullshit
by Dizzy_dvl on Monday, June 24 @ 11:06PM EST
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At some point shouldn't people stop having imaginary friends?

Re: Religious Bullshit
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